Fire Hynes

[DevsMan84]

24 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

I didn't see the whole tweet before she dirty-deleted but it started with "it's just a joke..."

I get wanting to joke and keep things light as a reporter, but aside from her tweet about Carricks finger, that was her only tweet from practice today. 

 

Edit: just to be clear, this is the ONLY tweet I've ever sent about her. I'm not one of those pathetic trolls who does nothing but bully her and Amanda. But DevsMan already made some salient points about it above. Hit the nail on the head.

Not surprised.  Several people have told me they got a block from her and Stein after criticizing them without even @ing them.  That means they are looking themselves up which is KK-level pettiness.

I am not advocating anyone to attack her and Stein over their looks and that sort of stuff, but can Abbey and Chris Ryan at least ask about relevant stuff and maybe press a little bit like TG and most other team beat writers do?  Sorry but asking players about their WS picks and Halloween costumes while Rome is burning is such a lazy, sloppy cop-out and disservice to their readers.

[NJDfan1711]

I still don't get Gusev sitting, especially against an explosive Tampa team where he would probably match up well against.  I respect the hell out of Elias and for someone who is a rookie or just breaking into the game/league I could see the value in him teaching someone, but Gusev is 27, do you really think a light bulb is going to go off in his head and he's going to transform into this great two-way player?  I'd much rather see Elias spend time with someone like Zacha, who's younger and is already a good defensive forwarded but could stand to harness some offensive prowess. 

I also think by sitting Gusev, yes, even for one game, you're disrupting the progress and chemistry that the team has been desperately trying to develop.  People will say sitting for one game isn't a big deal and that this is an overreaction, but it isn't.  We're 8 games into the season, and every game that the guys play together is one more opportunity for them to continue to grow together as a unit.  Conversely, every game that DON'T play together is one more game that they're playing with different linemates and losing whatever instincts they acquired from previous games. It's like one step forward two steps backwards.  

[Devil Dan 56]

1 minute ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I still don't get Gusev sitting, especially against an explosive Tampa team where he would probably match up well against.  I respect the hell out of Elias and for someone who is a rookie or just breaking into the game/league I could see the value in him teaching someone, but Gusev is 27, do you really think a light bulb is going to go off in his head and he's going to transform into this great two-way player?  I'd much rather see Elias spend time with someone like Zacha, who's younger and is already a good defensive forwarded but could stand to harness some offensive prowess. 

I also think by sitting Gusev, yes, even for one game, you're disrupting the progress and chemistry that the team has been desperately trying to develop.  People will say sitting for one game isn't a big deal and that this is an overreaction, but it isn't.  We're 8 games into the season, and every game that the guys play together is one more opportunity for them to continue to grow together as a unit.  Conversely, every game that DON'T play together is one more game that they're playing with different linemates and losing whatever instincts they acquired from previous games. It's like one step forward two steps backwards.  

While Gusev can definitely help the offense, the problem is its almost like killing a penalty 5 on 4 when he's on the ice at times. I don't know if they wanted to risk that against Tampa

[NJDfan1711]

1 minute ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

While Gusev can definitely help the offense, the problem is its almost like killing a penalty 5 on 4 when he's on the ice at times. I don't know if they wanted to risk that against Tampa

See, I'm just not seeing that.  I'll admit he doesn't always look like he might be in the best position when he doesn't have the puck perhaps, but I really don't see him committing turnovers, and he's certainly not taking penalties (only 1 in 9 games), so I just think him being labeled this giant liability is a bit overblown.  

[DevsMan84]

1 minute ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

While Gusev can definitely help the offense, the problem is its almost like killing a penalty 5 on 4 when he's on the ice at times. I don't know if they wanted to risk that against Tampa

We're getting slaughtered tomorrow either way, with or without Gusev.  I would rather have a player who might keep the game interesting with maybe a goal in there instead of someone like Hayden who will take penalties and...… well that's about it.

Just now, NJDfan1711 said:

See, I'm just not seeing that.  I'll admit he doesn't always look like he might be in the best position when he doesn't have the puck perhaps, but I really don't see him committing turnovers, and he's certainly not taking penalties (only 1 in 9 games), so I just think him being labeled this giant liability is a bit overblown.  

It is.

[Devilsfan118]

16 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

See, I'm just not seeing that.  I'll admit he doesn't always look like he might be in the best position when he doesn't have the puck perhaps, but I really don't see him committing turnovers, and he's certainly not taking penalties (only 1 in 9 games), so I just think him being labeled this giant liability is a bit overblown.  

I'm with you - though it won't take long for a certain someone to come in here and blast some advanced stats about 'expected goals' or some other nonsensical sounding item.

[DevsMan84]

Just now, Devilsfan118 said:

I'm with you - though it won't take long for a certain someone to come in here and blast some advanced stats about 'expected goals' or some other nonsensical sounding item.

If I was paid commission on expected sales rather than actual sales I would be writing this post from a beach in Fiji.

[Guadana]

Gusev wasn’t bad without puck in coyotes game. Especially in first and second periods. Boqvist deserves some time on ice too. He’s wasting his time. And someone anybody else deserves chances in first pp unit over Simmonds. Simmonds was Boyle’s  replacement, I don’t think he doesn’t deserve his place, but his goals are goals.

[Nicomo]

36 minutes ago, Guadana said:

Gusev wasn’t bad without puck in coyotes game. Especially in first and second periods. Boqvist deserves some time on ice too. He’s wasting his time. And someone anybody else deserves chances in first pp unit over Simmonds. Simmonds was Boyle’s  replacement, I don’t think he doesn’t deserve his place, but his goals are goals.

I can see both sides wrt Simmonds. I’m getting pretty frustrated with him at this point, but he’s getting so many chances you’d think eventually some will start to go in. 

Not sure I want to take out the only guy who can protect Hughes either. 

[Satans Hockey]

5 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

I am pretty close to waving the white flag on this team.

I already think the season is over and this week will be more proof of that. Would love to be wrong because I'm quite tired of going to meaningless games even though I still enjoy going. I'm saving all my buybacks for the end of the season already. 

[Guadana]

1 hour ago, Nicomo said:

I can see both sides wrt Simmonds. I’m getting pretty frustrated with him at this point, but he’s getting so many chances you’d think eventually some will start to go in. 

Not sure I want to take out the only guy who can protect Hughes either. 

I totally agree with you, but if we talk about first pp unit - I didn’t see big reasons for protecting of Hughes. I don’t know may be Coleman and Zajac deserve some chances. Let them in couple of shifts. For educational purposes of Simmonds. If Hynes decided to put out goal scorer for his moves without the puck, ok, - let’s educate goal non-scorer who was sign for scoring couple of month ago.

Edited October 29, 2019 by Guadana

[Nicomo]

2 hours ago, Guadana said:

I totally agree with you, but if we talk about first pp unit - I didn’t see big reasons for protecting of Hughes. I don’t know may be Coleman and Zajac deserve some chances. Let them in couple of shifts. For educational purposes of Simmonds. If Hynes decided to put out goal scorer for his moves without the puck, ok, - let’s educate goal non-scorer who was sign for scoring couple of month ago.

Ah my bad, I read your post as you wanting Simmonds scratched over Boqvist or Gusev. 

[jagknife]

(Space reserved for tonight’s limp you-know-what effort that even a fist full of viagra wouldn’t fix, that Hynes will undoubtedly blame on the lay-off and not him not having them prepared)

[NJDevils1214]

2 hours ago, jagknife said:

(Space reserved for tonight’s limp you-know-what effort that even a fist full of viagra wouldn’t fix, that Hynes will undoubtedly blame on the lay-off and not him not having them prepared)

Post-game probably...

Hynes: Tough building.

Media: You were at home.

Hynes: Yea, tough building. 

[DJ Eco]

20 hours ago, NJDfan1711 said:

See, I'm just not seeing that.  I'll admit he doesn't always look like he might be in the best position when he doesn't have the puck perhaps, but I really don't see him committing turnovers, and he's certainly not taking penalties (only 1 in 9 games), so I just think him being labeled this giant liability is a bit overblown.  

Thought I was the only one, agree 100%, he's a convenient scapegoat. I know he's not great defensively, but you'd think teams are scoring everytime he's on the ice, given all the talk you see about him. But Hynes benches him in the 3rd to protect leads anyway, and we lose those leads anyway, so it's hard to not see this as a deficiency in the system, and a coach who doesn't know how to tailor things to get more out of a few offense-first players within that system. He feels safer with Rooney and Hayden, so he gives them more 5v5 time, and our record shows it.

[jagknife]

17 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Post-game probably...

Hynes: Tough building.

Media: You were at home.

Hynes: Yea, tough building. 

Hynes: "These guys had a tough start today. Took them a while to get their legs under them. We skated them hard during the break so it was understandable they weren't able to get their legs under them right away."

Good Media: "Maybe you shouldn't skate them so hard and focus on different parts of their game"

Devils' Media: "What is your favorite Halloween costume you've ever worn?"

Fans: "Are you sh!tting me?!"

Devils Media: "ArE yOu sh!tTiNg Me? God, some fans are so ungrateful and tone deaf. Go new Mets coach!"

[NJDfan1711]

48 minutes ago, DJ Eco said:

Thought I was the only one, agree 100%, he's a convenient scapegoat. I know he's not great defensively, but you'd think teams are scoring everytime he's on the ice, given all the talk you see about him. But Hynes benches him in the 3rd to protect leads anyway, and we lose those leads anyway, so it's hard to not see this as a deficiency in the system, and a coach who doesn't know how to tailor things to get more out of a few offense-first players within that system. He feels safer with Rooney and Hayden, so he gives them more 5v5 time, and our record shows it.

You're absolutely right.  And of all the things that have been said and questioned about Hynes, this might be the most important one, and the most truthful too:  that he simply can't, or doesn't know how to leverage the assets he has and put them in situations to succeed.  This team has been starved for offensive talent for years, and the GM specifically brings in a guy from overseas who's a known and proven goal scorer, and by all accounts the guy has already started to show that he can do that here too, and instead of giving the guy more opportunities to continue to build upon that, the head coach instead looks to highlight his areas of weakness, rather than promote his strengths, and he benches him for a game so he can hopefully attain some kind of "come to Jesus" moment.  If I'm Shero, I'm pissed at Hynes and I see this as a potential case of mismanagement.  

If you had 100 bucks in the bank until next payday two weeks from now, then it's like, OK, we get it, you're poor, and it's hard to get out of poverty when you aren't making much money and don't have money to invest, etc.  But then one day you win the lottery (in our case, TWO lotteries), and now you have a bunch of money.  Smart people have the ability and know-how to utilize that good fortune and turn it into more good fortune.  Stupid people find a way, often times very quickly, to blow that money and then they're poor again, and once it's over, they come up with every excuse in the book as to why it didn't last and how it wasn't their fault that it's gone.  Hynes had a really bleak and bare roster for a while, but now has been gifted a talented squad in the form of two #1 overall picks, a former MVP, a foreign sniper from Russia, a proven veteran defenseman, a young upcoming netminder, etc etc, - I really hope we're not sitting here two or three years from now looking back on everything we had and having nothing to show for it, all because the guy in charge didn't know what to do with it.  

[DJ Eco]

Yeah exactly, and I just feel like you're not going to turn every player into a two-way dynamo like Nico is, or like Coleman (at a slightly lower level) are. Shero gave Hynes a few offense-first guys in Subban, Bratt, and Gusev. 

Figure it out.

Make it work.

Use their strengths. Don't try to dull the blade too much to try and make them a more well-rounded player. Don't waste another season trying to make offense-first players turn into two-way players, you don't need 4 lines of two-way players. We have a good balance of both types of players, but Hynes is trying to make them all do the same exact thing, which is why Wood-Rooney-Hayden is so near and dear to him, because it feels comfortable. But comfortable only gets you 0g-0a-0p, which is Rooney and Hayden's total right now, and that's with an average TOI of 12 minutes a game that he's given them so far.

He let our offense-first guys run wild at our home opener and look how they ran up the score. I think that was a peek into the true DNA of what this club is. We're not going to be good at defense, not with this roster, and that could be fine, if Hynes wasn't jamming some faux-responsibility hockey nonsense down our throats despite being extremely irresponsible with a whole bunch of leads that we've lost.

Edited October 30, 2019 by DJ Eco

[DevsMan84]

2 hours ago, jagknife said:

Hynes: "These guys had a tough start today. Took them a while to get their legs under them. We skated them hard during the break so it was understandable they weren't able to get their legs under them right away."

Good Media: "Maybe you shouldn't skate them so hard and focus on different parts of their game"

Devils' Media: "What is your favorite Halloween costume you've ever worn?"

Fans: "Are you sh!tting me?!"

Devils Media: "ArE yOu sh!tTiNg Me? God, some fans are so ungrateful and tone deaf. Go new Mets coach!"

You forgot the part where the Devils media say "You think YOU can do a better job?!?!" and "I am being attacked by mean people!!"

Edited October 30, 2019 by DevsMan84

[DevsMan84]

25 minutes ago, DJ Eco said:

Yeah exactly, and I just feel like you're not going to turn every player into a two-way dynamo like Nico is, or like Coleman (at a slightly lower level) are. Shero gave Hynes a few offense-first guys in Subban, Bratt, and Gusev. 

Figure it out.

Make it work.

Use their strengths. Don't try to dull the blade too much to try and make them a more well-rounded player. Don't waste another season trying to make offense-first players turn into two-way players, you don't need 4 lines of two-way players. We have a good balance of both types of players, but Hynes is trying to make them all do the same exact thing, which is why Wood-Rooney-Hayden is so near and dear to him, because it feels comfortable. But comfortable only gets you 0g-0a-0p, which is Rooney and Hayden's total right now, and that's with an average TOI of 12 minutes a game that he's given them so far.

He let our offense-first guys run wild at our home opener and look how they ran up the score. I think that was a peek into the true DNA of what this club is. We're not going to be good at defense, not with this roster, and that could be fine, if Hynes wasn't jamming some faux-responsibility hockey nonsense down our throats despite being extremely irresponsible with a whole bunch of leads that we've lost.

This is where Hynes' AHL-mentality gets the best of him.  He wants to teach every player how to play all aspects of the game (which is AHL-level coaching mentality) rather than winning (which is what NHL-coaches should be focused on).

[Neb00rs]

4 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

You forgot the part where the Devils media say "You think YOU can do a better job?!?!" and "I am being attacked by mean people!!"

Imagine being proud of harassing the female reporters of the team on Twitter. Embarrassing and yet you celebrate yourself for it so consistently.

[DevsMan84]

4 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

Imagine being proud of harassing the female reporters of the team on Twitter. Embarrassing and yet you celebrate yourself for it so consistently.

I like how you are shoehorning that part in when I didn't mention their gender in my post.

Congrats.  I hope we beat Tampa with tons of expected goals today per Natural Stat Trick.

Edited October 30, 2019 by DevsMan84

[Satans Hockey]

10 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

Imagine being proud of harassing the female reporters of the team on Twitter. Embarrassing and yet you celebrate yourself for it so consistently.

I don't follow her because of stuff like this.... 

 

People complaining about someone's on ice play is perfectly acceptable. Nobody is saying he's a horrible human being. These guys are professional athletes and people spend a lot of time and money on this team. We are allowed to complain on Twitter and here about how guys play.

 

I also don't think Chris Ryan is any good either with nonsense like this. We have reporters of this team who don't even ask any remotely hard questions. There's no accountability whatsoever. Hell I'd rather Chico Resch be a reporter because at least he wouldn't be trying to argue with people on Twitter instead of asking some serious questions about this team. 

 

Edited October 30, 2019 by Satans Hockey

[DevsMan84]

4 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

I don't follow her because of stuff like this.... 

 

People complaining about someone's on ice play is perfectly acceptable. Nobody is saying he's a horrible human being. These guys are professional athletes and people spend a lot of time and money on this team. We are allowed to complain on Twitter and here about how guys play.

Last season she openly complained on twitter about a live game going into overtime because it meant she had to stay longer.

[NJDfan1711]

5 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Last season she openly complained on twitter about a live game going into overtime because it meant she had to stay longer.

No fvcking way.  Are you serious?  To me that's an immediately fireable offense.  Even a fry cook at McDonalds wouldn't leave you hanging in the middle of the drive through with half your order just because the clock struck 6:00pm and his shift was over.  Talk about being ungrateful for an opportunity and having little appreciation of a job and a paycheck.