AEWHistory Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Because you can't read? You asked a blanket question about how can people question scouts. You know how I can? Because the Devils have an absolute garbage record at drafting physical D in the last 15 years. Basically every pick has been a bust, with some of them graduating to being fringe NHLers. Do the Devils overvalue physicality? I don't know, because I don't know their methods, but I would assume yes. Sometimes people lose the whole picture by being too close to it, and scouting is one of the professions where I imagine this happens all the time. Good scouting departments have to be constantly questioning their assumptions about what makes a good player. So yeah, I don't know what goes on at the rink in Albany, and I'm not privy to player/scout interviews, but more information can easily be bad when that information misleads or is thought to be important when it isn't. Is there a good comparative analysis of draft success out there? Specifically, something that would allow one to compare team-by-team success during certain periods, but also to compare same team success across different periods? The reason I bring this up is that I would argue, just from my subjective POV, that the Devils drafting history of the past 15 years is much worse than just with physical def. Compared to the '90s it is almost as if we have a completely different GM with a completely difficerent scout support system. To me this indicates that something has changed and not for the better. OTOH, I'd like to really see just how much better or worse we are rather than going on my subjective assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Is there a good comparative analysis of draft success out there? Specifically, something that would allow one to compare team-by-team success during certain periods, but also to compare same team success across different periods? The reason I bring this up is that I would argue, just from my subjective POV, that the Devils drafting history of the past 15 years is much worse than just with physical def. Compared to the '90s it is almost as if we have a completely different GM with a completely difficerent scout support system. To me this indicates that something has changed and not for the better. OTOH, I'd like to really see just how much better or worse we are rather than going on my subjective assessment. For the first part, I'd assume there must be something out there. Otherwise, it would take someone going draft by draft listing players that played a certain number of NHL games, therefore deeming them successful picks. My theory on the drafting change is just that other teams caught up to Lou and Conte's drafting techniques. They were supposedly ahead of the curve in the 90's, plus they'd find guys like Rafalski undrafted. Then, it just seemed like they wouldn't get those hidden gems anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Is there a good comparative analysis of draft success out there? Specifically, something that would allow one to compare team-by-team success during certain periods, but also to compare same team success across different periods? The reason I bring this up is that I would argue, just from my subjective POV, that the Devils drafting history of the past 15 years is much worse than just with physical def. Compared to the '90s it is almost as if we have a completely different GM with a completely difficerent scout support system. To me this indicates that something has changed and not for the better. OTOH, I'd like to really see just how much better or worse we are rather than going on my subjective assessment. Here's one: http://canucksarmy.com/2014/5/27/ron-delorme-and-the-canucks-v-the-29-other-scouting-departments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokar Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Leafs sign Booth for 1.1mil https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/491669368439586816 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Leafs sign Booth for 1.1mil https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/491669368439586816 Can't imagine that this doesn't work out well for them. Even if he only posts 30 points next year, $1.1M is a bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Do you think Lou is going to try to extend Greene before the start of the season? Greene is a UFA after this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Do you think Lou is going to try to extend Greene before the start of the season? Greene is a UFA after this year.he had already said that he was going to be reaching out to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 @DarrenDreger: Ryan O'Rielly agrees to 2 yr deal. $ 5.8 and $6.2 Rags also signed Zuccarello to a 1 year deal and Kreider to a 2 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) Zuccarello is going to get PAID next year. Standard bridge deal for Kreider. 6mm also isn't terrible for RoR Edited July 23, 2014 by Devilsfan118 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Seems like Zuccarello could've gotten move than 3.5 mil. Seems like a bit of a team friendly deal. God dammit, squeeze the Rags for all they're worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 If Zuccarello hits the market next year, we should get in on that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Zuccarello is going to get PAID next year. Standard bridge deal for Kreider. 6mm also isn't terrible for RoR Yeah, this is a pretty head-scratching move by Sather. Obviously we have no idea how negotiations went and what Zuccarello was asking for but you gotta think he would've accepted a 5/25 deal. If he produces at a similar rate to last year, 6+ per year doesn't sound unreasonable. I'm guessing Sather needed the cap space this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Yeah, this is a pretty head-scratching move by Sather. Obviously we have no idea how negotiations went and what Zuccarello was asking for but you gotta think he would've accepted a 5/25 deal. If he produces at a similar rate to last year, 6+ per year doesn't sound unreasonable. I'm guessing Sather needed the cap space this year A Rags fan buddy of mine told me Zuccarello was looking for $4.5 on a multi-year deal. He'll get 5 easy if he hits the market off a big year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I thought the rangers already re signed him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I thought the rangers already re signed him 1 yr deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) dumb move by Zucc, need to strike while you had a strong SC showing. guys get ACLs and concussions all the time they could have structured a multiyear deal with built in cap relief for 2014, correct??? Edited July 23, 2014 by EdgeControl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 On nhl.com, there's "Rosen's Mailbag" where Dan Rosen answers a few questions about the Devils (quite favorably btw): Which team in the East will make the largest jump in the standings? -- @aketts15 My eyes are on the New Jersey Devils to make the Stanley Cup Playoffs. They needed offense after finishing 27th in goals per game (2.40) last season. They got it by signing Mike Cammalleri and Martin Havlat. Cammalleri could be the Devils' first 30-goal scorer since Ilya Kovalchuk and Zach Parise. Havlat is a health risk, but it's a one-year contract and the Devils are uniting him with countrymen Patrik Elias, Jaromir Jagr and Marek Zidlicky. New Jersey's offense should be better. A lot hinges on the continued development of their young defensemen, particularly Adam Larsson, Jon Merrill and Eric Gelinas. Cory Schneider has to be the No. 1 goalie everyone has long thought he can be. The Devils are overloaded with forwards. Who can be moved to make room for youth? -- @C_Diercks The Devils have depth up front. Depth is essential to winning. They have a couple of young forwards who might be ready for bigger roles (Reid Boucher and Stephane Matteau), but why trade away depth just to give a young guy a chance? Those players will get their chance through injuries and/or if their play in the American Hockey League warrants it. No reason to force it when you're a cap-compliant team with depth. He also mentions though, "You can make the case that the Devils (I already made that case), Washington Capitals and New York Islanders got better, but they won't all jump the Rangers." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsftw Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Zuccas agent confirmed in norwegian media that they asked for $4,5M. He is hoping to remain in NY and they are working on a longer term deal that they hope to sign in january. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Yeah, this is a pretty head-scratching move by Sather. Obviously we have no idea how negotiations went and what Zuccarello was asking for but you gotta think he would've accepted a 5/25 deal. If he produces at a similar rate to last year, 6+ per year doesn't sound unreasonable. I'm guessing Sather needed the cap space this year They have zero room for such a long-term commitment. Zuccarello got over a $2 million raise off 1 good year. He got fair value and helped the team out. If that was the Devils, it would get praised. As it stands, the Rangers have potential UFA's Staal, Zuccarello and Brassard pending arbitration. Plus must bump up Stepan and Hagelin, whose bridge deals end. The organization faces challenging decisions ahead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Brassard gets 5ys, $25 to stay with the Rangers... yikes. With that, according to capgeek, the Rags now have a whole $1.3 in cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SegaDevil Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Came here to post about Brassard. $5 million? A year? For five years? Really? For what!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Lmfao that's an awful deal. Brassard's a nice player, but not that nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Rangers are in a real tough spot with centers, because they don't have any in their organization, and while they have some interesting prospects, I don't think any are bringing back a center. So it's either sign Brassard long-term or gamble on a UFA. The UFA centers this coming year are Spezza, Vermette, Krejci, Fisher, B. Richards. I can't imagine Krejci makes it to 7/1/2015, and that's a pretty dire list otherwise. NJ will likely be in this spot in 2 years and it will not be pleasant. EDIT: Forgot about J.T. Miller, but I'm not sure how they feel about him. Edited July 27, 2014 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RizzMB30 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 He'll get bought out after 2 or 3 poor years. Lou is making the Rangers look bad. I guess they're banking on him turning into a 2nd line center. I don't know if he's good enough or ever will be good enough to justify this deal. This deal also makes him very hard to trade if he doesn't pan out to being worth that much. I just don't see how the Rangers come close to last seasons performance. I just don't see it with their roster. They've added Glass, Stempniak, Lombardi, then retained Zucs, Brassard, and Kreider. Unless Brassard and Zucs take the next steps in their developments, I don't see them coming as close as they did this past season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 They also front-loaded the contract as much as possible which suggests they will trade him in 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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