MadDog2020 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) GOOOOOOSE EDIT: whoops wrong thread lol. Edited January 13, 2020 by MadDog2020 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 So I’m seeing rumors Shero wanted to keep trading our guys under contract to fully tank... owners said no... what the hell is really going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1-0 without Shero! Lol 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, jagknife said: So I’m seeing rumors Shero wanted to keep trading our guys under contract to fully tank... owners said no... what the hell is really going on? Shero was moron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, jagknife said: So I’m seeing rumors Shero wanted to keep trading our guys under contract to fully tank... owners said no... what the hell is really going on? Where are those coming from? Legit people? Thats wild if true lol Edited January 13, 2020 by Satans Hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, jagknife said: So I’m seeing rumors Shero wanted to keep trading our guys under contract to fully tank... owners said no... what the hell is really going on? if that's true then i'm fine with him getting fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said: Where are those coming from? Legit people? Thats wild if true lol Politi's the only mainstream guy I've seen give the more radical rumor (trading Palm) any credence afaik. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guadana Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) after heat is going down and if we remember this material on athletics about palms trade and talk about how vatanen ready for sign talking but shero didnt do anything yet and we can remember the words about hall didnt have real offers... that have sense. Really big thanks for shero but if devs stay with today core and will not tank - it`s a sign of sheros eclipse. Winning psychology is a thing that needs to build too. Ask oilers with thier three 1OAP. And one of them is fvcking next one. Edited January 13, 2020 by Guadana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyall Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I gave up on this website because how pro the ownership they were and randomly looked to see what people said with this. Only @dvelman is making sense. This ownership is a dumpster fire. They don't know how to build a team. At least on topic: What did Shero do that made this team ostensibly better? He tanked his way to some draft picks; anyone can do that. All you have to do is look at the 6ers. This ownership takes a GM to follow tanking to build talent. That GM knew how to build it up and then they fire them because of whatever reason good or bad (you think 6ers fans aren't saying the exact same thing you did a few years ago with Hinke?). This ownership doesn't want to win; they want to tease winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagnotta/3d-in-nj-deciding-devils-direction This guy makes it seem like lots of guys are going to still be made available. If that's true I don't know how that's not called a rebuild. If that's the case I have zero trust in this ownership group and their understanding of how it all works. Buying out Cory would be a great start imo. Edited January 13, 2020 by titans04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) If the question is, "why now?" when it comes to firing Shero well, it may be that ownership didn't want to leave it to Ray to manage the trade deadline decisions. Do they sell? Who do they trade? When do they do it? What do they get back? They wanted Fitz to make those decisions. Salvador alluded to this on the postgame and it's my thinking as well. It's possible there were even "creative differences" between Shero and the owners when it came with what do re: selling or keeping. Edited January 13, 2020 by Neb00rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said: Politi's the only mainstream guy I've seen give the more radical rumor (trading Palm) any credence afaik. One of the Athletic writers said he was on the block. 7 minutes ago, themightyall said: I gave up on this website because how pro the ownership they were and randomly looked to see what people said with this. Only @dvelman is making sense. This ownership is a dumpster fire. They don't know how to build a team. At least on topic: What did Shero do that made this team ostensibly better? He tanked his way to some draft picks; anyone can do that. All you have to do is look at the 6ers. This ownership takes a GM to follow tanking to build talent. That GM knew how to build it up and then they fire them because of whatever reason good or bad (you think 6ers fans aren't saying the exact same thing you did a few years ago with Hinke?). This ownership doesn't want to win; they want to tease winning. The Devils are financially solvent and the arena isn't falling apart because of the owners. And they just fired Shero, I imagine because they didn't want to keep tanking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, titans04 said: https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagnotta/3d-in-nj-deciding-devils-direction This guy makes it seem like lots of guys are going to still be made available. If that's true I don't know how that's not called a rebuild. If that's the case I have zero trust in this ownership group and their understanding of how it all works. Buying out Cory would be a great start imo. He's said the obvious, that they'll likely be trading players on expiring contracts, and that teams will be asking about Zajac, Palmieri and Wood. But you missed the part where he says the owners didn't want another rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, titans04 said: https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagnotta/3d-in-nj-deciding-devils-direction This guy makes it seem like lots of guys are going to still be made available. If that's true I don't know how that's not called a rebuild. If that's the case I have zero trust in this ownership group and their understanding of how it all works. Buying out Cory would be a great start imo. If it's true, it is a rebuild and they don't trust Ray to do it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Isn't it crazy that in Sept. ALL of us were so high on this team. Ray got Gusev. Ray got Boquist to come over. Ray got PK for 2 minor league D men We all thought Schneider was going to regain his mojo. Ray signed Simmons (a very good move IMO) but things went South in a hurry. Here it is 4 months later, that GM is gone. I love this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyall Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Daniel said: One of the Athletic writers said he was on the block. The Devils are financially solvent and the arena isn't falling apart because of the owners. And they just fired Shero, I imagine because they didn't want to keep tanking. Blah Blah Blah. Solvent Solvent Solvent. I left because everyone was so in love with the owners' money. Tell me what they do! I live in Philly and grew up in Trenton. I grew up a fan of the 6ers, Devils and Eagles. I saw the 6ers dumpster fire for years before Harris even bought the Devils. I am just waiting for SOMEONE to actually just look at a team the owners actually have before they just blather on about solvency. These owners are leeches. They don't want to win; they want MONEY! That is why the made the team solvent; how else will they make MONEY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said: If it's true, it is a rebuild and they don't trust Ray to do it. Exactly. IF this guy is right that's a rebuild. Non rebuilding teams don't make that many guys available. But this guy could be dead wrong too. Edited January 13, 2020 by titans04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guadana Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) And btw if we talk about ownership want tanking i think after win today brodeur and fitz were to happy for new gm`s who need to tank Edited January 13, 2020 by Guadana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, vadvlfan said: Isn't it crazy that in Sept. ALL of us were so high on this team. Ray got Gusev. Ray got Boquist to come over. Ray got PK for 2 minor league D men We all thought Schneider was going to regain his mojo. Ray signed Simmons (a very good move IMO) but things went South in a hurry. Here it is 4 months later, that GM is gone. I love this team. That's just not true not everyone was on board with all these moves. Cory, PK and Simmonds weren't slam dunks by any means to some.. Boquist and Goose were basically unknowns but sounded good on paper. To Ray's credit right or wrong he made moves. Ray was in a no win with Hall because looking back it appears he had less than zero interest in staying here. Something I was dead wrong about going into this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, devlman said: Very odd to just look at points as he’s been playing 8 mins a night and is new to the continent. But he certainly looks like he has the tools even at his young age Oh yeah I forgot that points don't count around here but corsi and "expected goals" do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIP72 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 The timing was odd, but based on the Devils' lack of improvement during Shero's tenure I have no problems with the firing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyall Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, MB3 said: Holy crap. Are you suggesting that business owners... want.... money?! Dude that is just absolutely insane! I’m so upset you left this forum now because of all of us mouthbreathers. You’re so so so so so much smarter than all of us! while you’re on this roll, my king, can you give me one piece of non-circumstantial, non-hyperbolic evidence that the owners aren’t doing their job? please write it in crayon so all of the other sheeple and I can follow along. Thank you in advance!!! Real cool, Bro. Let's all just act real cool and not reference anything about how the owners also own the 6ers nor anything that is going on with that team at all either. Thereby we can not reference anything that was said and we can continue to complain about how "great" this "GM" was in just accumulating assets rather than building a team. It's almost as if Lou wasn't able to build a team that everyone on this board was laughing at a few years ago as abysmal and made them a contender. I love how ironic we are being. It's so super productive. If only the organization can be. Too bad that is a valley too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, MB3 said: Holy crap. Are you suggesting that business owners... want.... money?! And all this time I thought Amazon and WalMart just wanted to make people smile. I'm heart broken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, themightyall said: Real cool, Bro. Let's all just act real cool and not reference anything about how the owners also own the 6ers nor anything that is going on with that team at all either. Thereby we can not reference anything that was said and we can continue to complain about how "great" this "GM" was in just accumulating assets rather than building a team. It's almost as if Lou wasn't able to build a team that everyone on this board was laughing at a few years ago as abysmal and made them a contender. I love how ironic we are being. It's so super productive. If only the organization can be. Too bad that is a valley too far. I see that you joined in 2015. I've been on here since 2010 and don't remember you at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, Daniel said: He's said the obvious, that they'll likely be trading players on expiring contracts, and that teams will be asking about Zajac, Palmieri and Wood. But you missed the part where he says the owners didn't want another rebuild. I don’t think this team needs another post-Lou full rebuild. Are we a few pieces away? Absolutely. I’d say we’re a good forward signing, a 2018 Smith to return to form away, plus having a back-up/1B like a Lehner away from being a playoff team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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