NLinfante Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Technically, Daniel, that's the passive voice, not passive tense. But you're exactly right; people who write for a living can find subtle ways of making headlines sounds a certain way without actually providing any substantial information. The fact that he uses an impersonal 3rd person (ie, "it is believed" rather than "I believe") accomplishes the same thing. Not trying to be a grammar nazi here, but I thought your point was so good, I couldn't resist cleaning it up for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Technically, Daniel, that's the passive voice, not passive tense. But you're exactly right; people who write for a living can find subtle ways of making headlines sounds a certain way without actually providing any substantial information. The fact that he uses an impersonal 3rd person (ie, "it is believed" rather than "I believe") accomplishes the same thing. Not trying to be a grammar nazi here, but I thought your point was so good, I couldn't resist cleaning it up for you Thanks, I kind of felt weird using the "tense" when I was typing it, but couldn't think of the right word for whatever reason. I only fly off the handle when people misuse "begs the question." Another time, someone insisted that "for all intents and purposes" should actually be "for all intensive purposes". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'll be devil's advocate here and cut Chere a little slack (unpopular opinion, I know). The media landscape has changed, and it's not too out of the realm of reality where Chere's higher-ups told him to generate more clicks/click-bait or he's out of a job. That's unfortunately where a ton of "journalism" is headed; Devils beat writers were never going to be immune to it. It's a good-cop/bad-cop routine. NJ.com can't pay two guys full-time to do what Tom Gulitti does (and 99% of the time just report the facts and nothing but), not with the limited audience or fanbase Devils coverage gives them. They tried to throw Randy Miller in there for a season, who I thought did a great job at injecting something a little different, but the clicks/hits probably told them another story and he was reassigned. People in New Jersey aren't engaged with the team right now, and haven't been since 2012. No one cares... And couple that with the general decline of journalism and news media, and like I said, Chere's probably just doing what he needs to do to stay in a job. Looking at it that way, I still don't take his work seriously, but I don't spout off on him in comments or on Twitter the way some others do. "Don't hate the player, hate the game." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Chere is a hack writer who writes for a left-wing rag that is thankfully slowly dying in an industry that is slowly dying. I will just stick with TG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Has TG mentioned anything at all about this zajac Toronto thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aitchmack Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 As Toronto were dumb enough to give Clarkson a 7 year, $36.75 contract is it any surprise how these rumours gain momentum so easily? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruM Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Zajac is nowhere near a bad player. Maybe not, but he's way over paid for a 2nd to 3rd line center, which is what he has become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'll be devil's advocate here and cut Chere a little slack (unpopular opinion, I know). The media landscape has changed, and it's not too out of the realm of reality where Chere's higher-ups told him to generate more clicks/click-bait or he's out of a job. That's unfortunately where a ton of "journalism" is headed; Devils beat writers were never going to be immune to it. It's a good-cop/bad-cop routine. NJ.com can't pay two guys full-time to do what Tom Gulitti does (and 99% of the time just report the facts and nothing but), not with the limited audience or fanbase Devils coverage gives them. They tried to throw Randy Miller in there for a season, who I thought did a great job at injecting something a little different, but the clicks/hits probably told them another story and he was reassigned. People in New Jersey aren't engaged with the team right now, and haven't been since 2012. No one cares... And couple that with the general decline of journalism and news media, and like I said, Chere's probably just doing what he needs to do to stay in a job. Looking at it that way, I still don't take his work seriously, but I don't spout off on him in comments or on Twitter the way some others do. "Don't hate the player, hate the game." It's sad, because the guy was a pretty good writer back in the day (80s-90s)...nothing spectacular, but pretty good. It's pretty clear that he's not really a fit in this era of journalism, and the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, adapt or die" mentality that he's adopted isn't working for him at all. Regardless of what people think of him (and I agree that he's lost a lot off a fastball that wasn't terribly fast to begin with), he's in a brutal spot...he's not getting any younger, his way of reporting sports (via off the newspaper rack) is dying and antiquated, and he will have a hell of time finding another job. I'm not sure how old he is (I'm guessing late 50s-early 60s), but if he's just trying to hang on for as long as he can until he can afford to retire, I can understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 It's sad, because the guy was a pretty good writer back in the day (80s-90s)...nothing spectacular, but pretty good. It's pretty clear that he's not really a fit in this era of journalism, and the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, adapt or die" mentality that he's adopted isn't working for him at all. Regardless of what people think of him (and I agree that he's lost a lot off a fastball that wasn't terribly fast to begin with), he's in a brutal spot...he's not getting any younger, his way of reporting sports (via off the newspaper rack) is dying and antiquated, and he will have a hell of time finding another job. I'm not sure how old he is (I'm guessing late 50s-early 60s), but if he's just trying to hang on for as long as he can until he can afford to retire, I can understand it. I suppose in fairness that I recall someone here posting that click baity tweets is a specific policy at the Ledger. Seems to have some support in the evidence considering that Randy Miller has similar tweets. So if it's being directed by his bosses, I guess I can't hold it against him, although it should still be called out for what it is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) I suppose in fairness that I recall someone here posting that click baity tweets is a specific policy at the Ledger. Seems to have some support in the evidence considering that Randy Miller has similar tweets. So if it's being directed by his bosses, I guess I can't hold it against him, although it should still be called out for what it is. I mean, look around at how bad websites/publications like Forbes, USA Today, NY Post (worse than it already was) have gotten, and the emergence of sites like Buzzfeed, Business Insider, etc... "Click-bait" is every publication's/website's M.O. now, and I'm sure the Ledger gave Chere the ultimatum of doing it or being out of a job. I personally hate it, but it's a sign of the times, it's not some Rich Chere-only style of "reporting". And unfortunately, from a business stance, it works. I'm sure Єklund (2.3% accurate) generates more hits and ad revenue than the Ledger's Devils coverage, and ask yourself, what the hell does Єklund (2.3% accurate) "do"? Edited September 29, 2015 by DJ Eco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I mean, look around at how bad websites/publications like Forbes, USA Today, NY Post (worse than it already was) have gotten, and the emergence of sites like Buzzfeed, Business Insider, etc... "Click-bait" is every publication's/website's M.O. now, and I'm sure the Ledger gave Chere the ultimatum of doing it or being out of a job. I personally hate it, but it's a sign of the times, it's not some Rich Chere-only style of "reporting". And unfortunately, from a business stance, it works. I'm sure Єklund (2.3% accurate) generates more hits and ad revenue than the Ledger's Devils coverage, and ask yourself, what the hell does Єklund (2.3% accurate) "do"? He somehow has been getting credible writers to write for the site: Kevin Allen and now Adam Proteau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitico12 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Zajac is a good player, but not as dynamic of a player to be the centerpiece of any team. He, right now, is our 1st line center, and that is a problem. His intangibles (such as playoff clutchness, leadership, low-key demeanor) are very marketable, especially for a place like Toronto that needs low-key, team first mentors. I would look for a player the likes of JVR...he is a solid player, a Jersey kid, that could be a force up front. We would, however, need to replace Zajac at center somehow if this were to go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) The only deal for the Devs is with JVR. Kadri has discipline issues (multiple times) but I think that's who LL & Shanahan want to dump. McGuire: Zajac a solid pro and role model Starts @ 5:20min Edited September 29, 2015 by HOLLYWOOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 The only deal for the Devs is with JVR. Kadri has discipline issues (multiple times) but I think that's who LL & Shanahan want to dump. McGuire: Zajac a solid pro and role model Starts @ 5:20min I'd do Zajac for Kadri all day long. And not just because we share a birthday, which I learned looking up his stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'd do Zajac for Kadri all day long. And not just because we share a birthday, which I learned looking up his stats. If I'm Shero, not going anywhere near that problem child Kadri. JVR is the only choice in a Zajac trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hystyk28 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) If I'm Shero, not going anywhere near that problem child Kadri. JVR is the only choice in a Zajac trade. I agree and Kadri will be a RFA and looking for cash. Maybe TOR is afraid of offer sheet? Edited September 30, 2015 by hystyk28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoffeecake Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Zajac is a good player, but not as dynamic of a player to be the centerpiece of any team. He, right now, is our 1st line center, and that is a problem. His intangibles (such as playoff clutchness, leadership, low-key demeanor) are very marketable, especially for a place like Toronto that needs low-key, team first mentors. I would look for a player the likes of JVR...he is a solid player, a Jersey kid, that could be a force up front. We would, however, need to replace Zajac at center somehow if this were to go down. It seems like Jacob Josefson is actually our first line center now, which may be more of a problem unless whatever Hynes and Shero see in him isn't bullsh!t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck the Duck Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Maybe not, but he's way over paid for a 2nd to 3rd line center, which is what he has become. Even if he is overpaid, it doesn't make him a bad player. Plus, his contract has not hindered anything the Devils have done or are trying to do. He is a model citizen, a good faceoff man (our only one), and plays responsible defense. His drop in point production has more to do with the fact that he doesn't have Parise and/or Kovy on his wings anymore, than it does with a change in his play. Zajac is not a play driver. He is a support player in the offensive zone that is a very good center for highly skilled wingers. He is a good player (not a great one), and the fact that people think he is overpaid doesn't change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Everyone's a "problem child" in Toronto. Henrique's or Greene's characters would be under question if they were Toronto Maple Leafs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruM Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Even if he is overpaid, it doesn't make him a bad player. Plus, his contract has not hindered anything the Devils have done or are trying to do. He is a model citizen, a good faceoff man (our only one), and plays responsible defense. His drop in point production has more to do with the fact that he doesn't have Parise and/or Kovy on his wings anymore, than it does with a change in his play. Zajac is not a play driver. He is a support player in the offensive zone that is a very good center for highly skilled wingers. He is a good player (not a great one), and the fact that people think he is overpaid doesn't change that. So he's a good player making the most of ANY skater on this team!! and his contract goes through 2021!! if you want to be the highest paid player on a team you need to be the STAR!!! He is not he is a nice complimentary player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Even if he is overpaid, it doesn't make him a bad player. Plus, his contract has not hindered anything the Devils have done or are trying to do. He is a model citizen, a good faceoff man (our only one), and plays responsible defense. His drop in point production has more to do with the fact that he doesn't have Parise and/or Kovy on his wings anymore, than it does with a change in his play. Zajac is not a play driver. He is a support player in the offensive zone that is a very good center for highly skilled wingers. He is a good player (not a great one), and the fact that people think he is overpaid doesn't change that. Being a good faceoff man and responsible defensively does not necessarily mean you are a good player. This is the NHL. Guys that fit that description are a dime a dozen. His point production is an embarrassment. Anyone can put up respectable numbers playing with superstars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guadana Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 men who think that hockey game is about only points they lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 men who think that hockey game is about only points they lose yeah but men who also think that hockey game is all about defence.. also lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 hopefully this isn't true. Darren Dreger ✔ @DarrenDreger Travis Zajac's agent, Kurt Overhardt kills trade rumour. "There is absolutely no truth to media speculation of Travis Zajac being traded." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 how did Zajac look so far in the pre-season anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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